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 Hey guys,
   I rendered 60 frames out of a 90 frame animation using ScreamerNetII
before having to stop the render. The kooky part is I can't find any saved
images anywhere. My first thought was that I hadn't set the save function
but I checked the scene file in a text editor and the info was there. What
gives?




Paul Davies  [e-mail]     http://www.magnet.com/~pdavies/
Concept Artist-RPG/Action Games
Magnet Interactive Studios Inc.

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From: Stephen Bailey <[e-mail]>
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At 10:57 AM 12/6/95 -0500, you wrote:
>    Thanks for the tuturoial; concisely written.  I was wondering, however,
>if you could perhaps elaborate on the way you managed to create morph
>targets with spline cages while keeping the point order the same.
>
>

We use a patcher.p plugin that was specially written for us last summer. I
think a similar plugin is available now from the Newtek BBS/ftp site.

The basic idea is that you create your spline cage. Then, you select each
patch area, copy it to another layer, and give it a surface name (i.e. quad
1). Keep doing this until the entire cage is copied, with each patch
quadrant having it's own surface name. Splines will overlap, but that's OK.
The autopatcher works (atleast ours does) using a text file as the plugin's
argument. The text file lists, in order, the surface names and the settings
for knots/lengths.

The trick (and it's not so easy) is to set up the cage points and
accompanying text file so that the adjoining points between quadrants line
up point-for-point. This takes a bit of time and hair pulling, but it's
necessary if you want quadrants to patch seemlessly.

Once the patcher is finished, you'll need to kill the splines from the
object and merge points. If you complete these actions IN ORDER each time,
your point order will remain the same for each patched target. We then kill
all polygons, convert points to polys (not necessary), and save as a new
target object.

Hope this makes sense. A co-worker is supposed to be working on an article
for LW PRO outlining this process. He and his wife just had a beautiful baby
boy, so I'm not sure how soon this article will see the light of day.

Anyway, good luck.

SGB

S.G. Bailey
Senior Lightwave Animator
Will Vinton Studios

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From: [e-mail] (Andre Perusse)
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Subject: Sparks problem
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I am trying to do the tutorials that are included with the Sparks
documentation.  I have mostly succeeded exept for one fundamental thing
that I can't figure out:

The Sparks manual, in several of the tutorials, asks you to load in a
"particle cloud" that you create in modeler.  It says that it needs the
cloud for "particle fodder."  That's all when and good, but what is it
supposed to do with this cloud?  My Sparks program does nothing with it.
The particle cloud just sits there.  I have to directly load in the
particle.lwo object that is included with Sparks package in order to get
anything to work.  I have set the number of particles to the correct number
and I have selected the correct object number as well.

I am using Sparks v2.176 and LW 4.0 for Amiga.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

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From: [e-mail] (Timothy Albee)
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Hyia --

A couple of days ago, I posted a problem with tracking eyes to a figure
that was bent 'all outta shape' with bones and stuff durring an animation,
and I was wondering if anyone out there had suggestions to keep the eyes
tracking to the head object.  Well, The Jan 1996 issue of VTU has a
wonderfully complex and convololuted article on how to do just that.  They
take the example of Will Vinton Studios' M&M commercials.  As tricky as the
tutorial is to understand, its is a MUST, IMHO, for anyone interested in
using LW for character animation!

Kudos to VTU! (and the people who figured out how to bypass this particular
LW quandry)

Timothy

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At 03:21 PM 12/6/95 -0500, you wrote:
> Hey guys,
>   I rendered 60 frames out of a 90 frame animation using ScreamerNetII
>before having to stop the render. The kooky part is I can't find any saved
>images anywhere. My first thought was that I hadn't set the save function
>but I checked the scene file in a text editor and the info was there. What
>gives?
>

>Paul Davies  [e-mail]     http://www.magnet.com/~pdavies/
>Concept Artist-RPG/Action Games
>Magnet Interactive Studios Inc.
>

You have discovered yet another of Screamernet's wonderful annoyances. Since
getting my Raptor 3's (and paying for them with blood, I assure you), I
haven't used Snet, but I did for a long time. Sometimes, the server just
decides not to save rendered images sent back to it. In my case it was an
A4000. On more than one occasion I would set up a rendering session, leave
for a few hours or even overnight, and come back only to find an empty
directory where there should have been a couple hundred frames! As I recall,
rebooting the Amiga cured the problem. One thing I learned from this: With
Snet, ALWAYS STICK AROUND TO SEE IF THE FIRST COUPLE FRAMES HAVE ACTUALLY
BEEN SAVED. The alternative can be disastrous.

Another thing from my Snet days: I had a few scenes in which an object or
two simply refused to render. The scenes were obviously correct, and frames
rendered on the Amiga didn't have this problem, so what the hell? After
banging my head over this one, I discovered that simply renaming the objects
cured the problem. I don't know why, but Snet just didn't like their
original names. Maybe you ran into that one and solved it already, but I
thought I'd mention it.



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Hi Everybody,
     I have LW 4.0 intel running on a pentium 60 with 8 megs of ram
(Win 3.11 w/win32's). after I render a scene (saved with HIIP-avi16).
I exit and got to play it but there erro messages come up right after
each other.

"Video for Windows"
"MCIAVI requires a newer version of MSVIDEO.DLL, please reinstall your
video software"

"Media Player"
"There is a problem with the device driver. Check with the device
manufacturer about obtaining a new driver"

Could someone out there please help me.  I need to get these avi's
working.
             Thank you,
                 Brad Herman
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Andrew Hofman wrote:
I had a few scenes in which an object or two simply refused to
render. The scenes were obviously correct, and frames rendered on
the Amiga didn't have this problem, so what the hell? After banging
my head over this one, I discovered that simply renaming the
objects cured the problem.
-------------------
    I ran into this as well, and had posted on it earlier.  One
behavior I haven't been able to workaround yet, is that when I get
up around 80k polys, rendering really gets screwed up.  I'm not
certain that it's the poly count that is the problem, but that's my
best guess.  Has anyone else run into this?  BTW, my problems are
on the original SNet.
    Andrew--You indicate that you are no longer using SNet.
What do you use instead?

                        Dennis Harp.


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>    Andrew--You indicate that you are no longer using SNet.
>What do you use instead?
>
>                        Dennis Harp.
>

Pre-release LightWave 4.0 for DEC Alpha. At least until "Christmas,"
according to NewTek.


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> Wolfsong ([e-mail])
> Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:40:28 -0500


 Hiya everyone --

I've got a problem the I'm wondering if anyone else out there has run up
against or has found a way around. This is that when I create a text
object in LW4 (Intel) usint eiter TT or PS fonts, it doesn't 'cut out'
the center part. This happens using any font-creation method. I have to
end up selecting the offending polygons, copy them to a new layer,
extruding them, and boolianing the origional letter shapes. Anyone have
any suggestions as far as how to get around this annoying problem?

Another problem has been plaguint me since I started using bones. If
create a cartoon character's head, and have the face squash and stretch
and emote using bones like all good cartoon characters faces should, I
can't have things like eyeballs and eyelids work properly. Its easy
enough to have an eyelid made out of a seperate object and parent it to
the head, but once I start deforming the head with bones, the eyelid
stays in one place while the head goes jouncing all over the place. I'm
stuck. help?

Timothy

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> [e-mail]
> Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:56:05 -0500

Does anyone have a recommendation for a GOOD Book or Video on
forensic animation?

Thank You,
Ed
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> Daniel J. McCoy ([e-mail])
> Mon, 4 Dec 95 15:30 PST

At 05:01 PM 12/4/95 -0500, you wrote:
>I've got a problem the I'm wondering if anyone else out there has run up
>against or has found a way around. This is that when I create a text
>object in LW4 (Intel) usint eiter TT or PS fonts, it doesn't 'cut out' >the center part. This happens using any font-creation method. I have to
>end up selecting the offending polygons, copy them to a new layer,
>extruding them, and boolianing the origional letter shapes. Anyone have >any suggestions as far as how to get around this annoying problem?

PS Type 1 fonts should work OK but TrueType fonts do what you noticed.
I pretty much did the same you did to get rid of them. Not sure if
NewTek will make TT fonts import a bit better.

Good luck,
Dan




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> Eric Case ([e-mail])
> Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:40:21 -0700 (MST)

> On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Frank Aalbers wrote:
>
> > We are looking for a tool to make a full leafed tree to be used in
> LW.
>
> > Can WB do this ?
>
> If you just want Trees check out "Tree Professional" from Onyx
> Computing
> ([e-mail]). It is a tree modeler for broadleaf, conifer,
> palm
> trees. At this time it is a available for Mac and Power Mac, Onyx
> said a
> WinNT version will be out mid 96. The program is about $500 and
> exports
> DXF files (and PICT files) with control over the number of Polygons
> and
> Lines. A Demo CD with 16 DXF models can be had for about $15 +S&H.
>
> Note I don't work for Onyx Computing, I'm just a very happy
> customer.
> -Eric
>
>
> > Frank Aalbers
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> Mike Towe ([e-mail])
> Mon, 04 Dec 1995 16:30:45 -0800

> Hi Folks,
>
> Quick question here. I am trying to do an animation with a single
> object floating around that I want to overlay to video. The question
> is how
> are the rest of you doing this. I have tried setting the background
> color to
> a single sade of green and then running a chroma key with my editor
> but the
> results are only so so. I figure I could grab frames of the video
> that I
> want to overlay to and use those as a sequence of background images,
> but
> this is a quick and dirty tape I am puting together I realy don't
> have the
> time for it. So if any of you have a better idea I would love to
> hear it.
>
> Regards,
> Michael W. Towe
> Chief editor and computer animator
> Qualcomm Inc. San Diego Ca.
>
> " With Bob as my Witless"
>
> Angelica Pickles
> (1994)



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> Phillip Finch ([e-mail])
> Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:53:55 -0800

> Andy Hofman wrote:
>
> >I spent 80 bucks last week on a bundled set of
> >programs called the "Simply 3D Super Pack", on five CD-ROMs.
>
> >(1) WINBLOB: An actual metaball modeling program.
>
> >(2)VFONT: Converts TrueType characters into 3D objects.
>
> >(3)STUFF: 70 seamless textures and 130 objects. Can't go wrong
> there.
>
> >Problem: The WinBlob program is supposed to save objects as either
> DXF, GED
> >or its own special format (with source spheres intact). A least it
> says so
> >in the manual. But the actual program doesn't have a DXF saver. The
> only
> >other possibility is that funky GED format. Anyone heard of it?
> Where do I
> >get a converter? This would also allow me to use those 130 objects,
> all of
> >which are GED as well.
>
>
> Andy, I don't know how to break this to you, but Winblob is
> freeware... You
> can download it from the POV archives and a bunch of other places as
> well.
> And it saves .dxf (at least, the version on my hard drive
> does)...also
> Polyray, POVray, RAW.
>
> GED is Visual Reality format. I've seen the package you're talking
> about...it looks to me as if Visual cut a licensing deal with the
> Blob guys,
> and got them to write a special version that also saves to Visual's
> format.
>
> I don't know of any converters. But Simply 3-D, and Visual Reality
> 1.5 and
> the new 2.0 have been very popular for the past couple of years, so
> who knows?
>
> I *think* that Simply 3D, which came in your package, is upgradeable
> to
> Visual Reality 3.0 for $99. If so, it might be worth taking a look
> at, if
> only for the included materials, which include several hundred
> seamless
> textures and about 900 objects, most of them in .dxf as well as the
> GED
> format . It also comes with VFont 2.0, which does squishy,
> MacroForm-ish
> deforms on text objects. And the 2.0 modeller is actually a pretty
> good
> b-spline modeller that saves out .dxf.
>
> As for Blob, it's fun to play around with, but I don't seem to have
> much
> control with it. All my objects come out looking like the Pillsbury
> Doughboy
> or the Michelin Man. Though I guess that's the point.
>
> The price is right, though... provided you don't shop for it at the
> mall :-)
>
> Phil Finch ([e-mail])
>
> ***************************************************
> "It is easier to be gigantic than to be beautiful."
> --Neitzsche
> ***************************************************



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> Steve Bowie ([e-mail])
> Mon, 4 Dec 1995 23:09:26 -0500

> Would anybody be interested in a few nightly impressions of the
> World of Amiga
> in Toronto this weekend??
>
> I'd be glad to post a little 'review' if anyone wants to see it.
> (If the group generally isn't interested anyone who is can e-mail
> me).
> ^^^^^
>
> Regards,
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> David Warner ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:40:51 -0500 (EST)

> On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Steve Bowie wrote:
>
> > Would anybody be interested in a few nightly impressions of the
> World of Amiga
> > in Toronto this weekend??
>
> This sounds good, but maybe you should post it to the Video Toaster
> list
> ([e-mail]) instead of here....I know I'm interested in
> what
> occurs at the show, but since most of the LightWave users here are
> NOT
> Amiga users, you should probably post the info where only Amiga
> people
> can appreciate it....
>
> -David Warner



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> David Warner ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:45:23 -0500 (EST)

> I forwarded a copy of Ernie and Mark's "Refraction" message to
> Allen,
> but I guess I should have included the question that related to how
> merging points will affect an object's refractivity.
>
> Anyway, here's his reply....
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:57:16 -0800
> From: Allen D Hastings
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Refraction Question
>
> I'm not sure I fully understand what they're debating, but here
> goes:
>
> As long as the maximum smoothing angle is below 180 degrees, there's
> no danger of normals canceling out when the average normal is being
> computed. LightWave's smooth shading is different from Metaform (and
> from the simpler smooth shading used in many other renderers) in
> that
> the same point can have different average surface normals depending
> on which polygon is being shaded at the moment. So it's safe to go
> ahead and merge the points used by two coinciding meshes of polygons
> that face in opposite directions.
>
> - Allen



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> Brian Dady ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:30:13 -0800 (PST)


> On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, David Warner wrote:
>
>
> > On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Steve Bowie wrote:
>
> > > Would anybody be interested in a few nightly impressions of the
> World of Amiga
> > > in Toronto this weekend??
>
> > This sounds good, but maybe you should post it to the Video
> Toaster list
> > ([e-mail]) instead of here....I know I'm interested in
> what
> > occurs at the show, but since most of the LightWave users here are
> NOT
> > Amiga users, you should probably post the info where only Amiga
> people
> > can appreciate it....
>
> > -David Warner
>
> No, we wouldn't want all the PC LW users to be forced into the
> position
> we Amiga users are in (a very high percentage of posts are about
> PC's,
> Win95, NT, ...). ;)
>
> -Brian Dady



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> Wilfried Henseler ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:58:12 +0100 (MET)

> On Tue, 28 Nov 1995, Frank Aalbers wrote:
>
> > There is a bug in the Path-Extrude and Path-Clone function of
> > th Modeler Intel 4.0 rev. C .
>
> REV C ????? And btw. how can i find what my rev. is ?
> ( Is there an update available for rev A+B ? )
>
> thanks,
> w.henseler



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> Denis Labine ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:59:37 -0800
>

> Yes I would for one, thanks for the offer.



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> [e-mail]
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:55:51 -500

> >Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:43:35 -0500
> >Reply-to: [e-mail]
> >From: David Warner <[e-mail]>
> >To: Multiple recipients of list <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Re: WOCA
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Steve Bowie wrote:
>
> > > Would anybody be interested in a few nightly impressions of the
> World of
> >Amiga
> > > in Toronto this weekend??
>
>
> > This sounds good, but maybe you should post it to the Video
> Toaster list
> >([e-mail]) instead of here....I know I'm interested in
> what
> >occurs at the show, but since most of the LightWave users here are
> NOT
> >Amiga users, you should probably post the info where only Amiga
> people can
> >appreciate it....
>
> > -David Warner
>
> I'd disagree, the PC version has only been out for a few months and
> I know
> plenty of people who are still using Amigas, more so when PowerPC
> cards
> become available next year.
>
> As well, the World of Amiga show is mostly video and multimedia
> orientated
> (has always been, now more-so), certanly people what to keep up with
> whats
> coming up.
> Zoltan



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> Denis Labine ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 09:03:31 -0800

> How many of us ARE also AMIGA USERS David?
>
> In Todays world you USE all plateforms since NO single one does
> stand alone
>
> Talent is What Disney has always had, can you imagine what HE would
> do today
> with the tools We have at hand?
>
> My old saying is " a tree is NOT a house until a craftman says so"
> ;-)



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> Adrian Onsen - ASNG/F94 ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:56:51 -0500 (EST)

> On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Wolfsong wrote:
> > Another problem has been plaguint me since I started using bones.
> If I
> > create a cartoon character's head, and have the face squash and
> stretch and
> > emote using bones like all good cartoon characters faces should, I
> can't
> > have things like eyeballs and eyelids work properly. Its easy
> enough to
> > have an eyelid made out of a seperate object and parent it to the
> head, but
> > once I start deforming the head with bones, the eyelid stays in
> one place
> > while the head goes jouncing all over the place. I'm stuck. help?
>
> From my experience, you can't have more than one object being
> affected by bones. Bones will only afect on object. So what you have
> to
> do is either not stretch and squeze the head, or make the ontire
> hear(eyeballs and all) into one single object. And to animate the
> eyebals, and eyelids, you can use either bones, or morph targets...
> Hope
> this helps, since it's the only way around your problem (that I can
> think
> of anyways)
>
> .. adrian ..
> [e-mail]
> http://www.acs.ryerson.ca/~aonsen
> "Justice and truth are meerly coincidental"



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> [e-mail]
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:05:14 -500

> > No, we wouldn't want all the PC LW users to be forced into the
> position we
> >Amiga users are in (a very high percentage of posts are about PC's,
> Win95,
> >NT, ...). ;)
>
> > -Brian Dady
>
> Thats for sure, I mean, untill the PC version came out the list was
> mostly
> full of tips and ideas, now it seems people are stending almost as
> much time
> keeping their (fast) PCs up and running.
>
> Just a few more reasons to hope Phase5 and AmigaTech get the PowerPC
>
> version up and running as soon as they can so we can quit messing
> around and
> get back to creating cool stuff. :)
> Zoltan
>



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> Mike Towe ([e-mail])
> Tue, 05 Dec 1995 08:55:56 -0800

> >If you have access to a genlock- which would alow images over the
> video you
> >might get better results.
> >Z
>
>
> Hmmmmm........ I don't quite understand????? I have a genlock in my
> editing suite which will allow me to overlay with an alpha channel.
> But
> since I am dumping the anim to tape first I will loose the alpha.
>
> First off I don't quite know if I am doing the alpha channel right.
> Do I need to render the 24 bit RGB frames and the 8 bit alpha
> frames, and
> then batch composite them to a 32 bit TGA ????
>
> Regards,
> Michael W. Towe
> Chief editor and computer animator
> Qualcomm Inc. San Diego Ca.
>
> " With Bob as my Witless"
>
> Angelica Pickles
> (1994)



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> Adam Ives Chrystie ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:18:51 -0800 (PST)

> On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Wilfried Henseler wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 28 Nov 1995, Frank Aalbers wrote:
>
> > > There is a bug in the Path-Extrude and Path-Clone function of
> > > th Modeler Intel 4.0 rev. C .
>
> > REV C ????? And btw. how can i find what my rev. is ?
> > ( Is there an update available for rev A+B ? )
>
> It will say what Revision you have on the front of the LightWave CD.
>
> ----------------------------------
> Adam Chrystie LightWave 3D Animator
> Cinema/Video Major, Senior
> University Of California at Santa Cruz
>


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> Mallory Woods ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:58:38 -0500

> >Frank Aalbers wrote:
>
> >LWPro had an article this summer about a utility called LParser
> that uses
> >fractal alogrithms to genberate realistic foliage. It showed up on
> >LightRom3, so I gave it a try.
>
> Anychance that a program like this exists for the Amiga?
>
> ./|,,/| Mallory Woods II
> < o o) DIS Help Desk
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> Fernando Martins ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:49 GMT

> >I've reassesed my previous post and have discovered that it is
> certainly
> >possible for one frame to use that much space if saved totally
> >uncompressed and in a number of passes. A 2k cscope frame at
> 1828*1556
>
> Sorry for my ignorance but... What are those passes for?! Motion
> Blur?!
> Several layers of imagery?! Something else?!
>
> >can come out to (1828*1556*32) 91 megs if 32bits are saved. So,
> three
> >passes like this would get you there.
>
> I don't think so!!! You are not going to save all those bits in the
> appropriate space of a byte, are you ;-)
>
> The correct multiplication is 1828*1556*32/8 = 11 Megs So, 24 passes
> (whatever
> they are :) ) would get you there.
>
> __ _ _
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> Fernando Martins ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:49 GMT

> >As an aside, interestingly enough, I had heard a rumor that NewTek
> was
> >considering Tcl as their cross-platform scripting system for
> LightWave...
>
> Oh God, not again... Why is the computer world accepting the
> sluggish
> software, the 'give-me-more-room' file formats (like BMP! Once I
> managed to
> put 22 Mb in one Floppy Fisk!!! Compressed BMP files, of course!)
> and stupid
> operating systems?!?!?! :(((
>
> __ _ _
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> [e-mail]
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:33:51 -0500

> Hello,
> Yeah! I'm interested big time, especially since I won't be able to
> attend.
> Thanks for taking the time to do this!
> Lorenzo
> LVH Productions



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> Technomage ([e-mail])
> Tue, 05 Dec 1995 15:14:39 -0800

> I have LW 4.0 intel running on a pentium 60 with 8 megs of ram (Win
> 3.11 w/win32's). after I render a scene (saved with HIIP-avi16). I
> exit and got to play it but there erro messages come up right after
> each other.
>
> "Video for Windows"
> "MCIAVI requires a newer version of MSVIDEO.DLL, please reinstall
> your
> video software"
>
> "Media Player"
> "There is a problem with the device driver. Check with the device
> manufacturer about obtaining a new driver"
>
> Could someone out there please help me. I need to get these avi's
> working.
> Thank you,
> Brad Herman
>
> --
> Technomage
> "I am the teller of the future, the digital age is apon us!"
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> [e-mail]
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:51:50 -0500

> In a message dated 95-12-04 12:23:41 EST, Scott McCabe writes:
>
> >>Bart Palamaro wrote:
> >>
> >> Then use Zoom Factor on the Camera menu
> >>> (Try about 4000 to start).
> >>
> >>No harm in trying this,
> >>- Ernie
>
> >So, assuming that you had a far away enough camera, with a
> powerfull zoom
> in,
> >this would eliminate the perspective errors when attaching the
> rendered
> >tiles?
>
> >Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> That's the idea
>
> Bart



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> Fernando Martins ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:49 GMT


> > Quick question here. I am trying to do an animation with a single
> >object floating around that I want to overlay to video. The
> question is how
> >are the rest of you doing this. I have tried setting the background
> color to
> >a single sade of green and then running a chroma key with my editor
> but the
>
> Green?! Try Blue (that's what everybody uses!!!)
>
> >time for it. So if any of you have a better idea I would love to
> hear it.
>
> Well... Get an Amiga somewhere... There are lots of low-cost
> Genlocks that
> give you a decent quality output picture.
>
> With a Genlock you don't have to care about the background color:
> ANY color
> will do if you are using the 0 (zero) color. Just put the video
> Image on the
> Genlock and fade the logo/graphic on it.
>
> If you can't access an Amiga with a Genlock... Instead of loading
> the video
> sequence as backgroud images for Lightwave, load it into a image
> processing
> program and compose the two sequences. It's a lot faster in ImageFX,
> I don't
> know about Photoshop.
>
> __ _ _
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> Adrian Onsen - ASNG/F94 ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:56:48 -0500 (EST)

> On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Steve Bowie wrote:
>
> > Would anybody be interested in a few nightly impressions of the
> World of Amiga
> > in Toronto this weekend??
>
> > I'd be glad to post a little 'review' if anyone wants to see it.
> > (If the group generally isn't interested anyone who is can e-mail
> me).
> > ^^^^^
>
> I wouldn't mind seeing a review of what happened...
>
> .. adrian ..
> [e-mail]
> http://www.acs.ryerson.ca/~aonsen
> "Justice and truth are meerly coincidental"



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> Ernie Wright ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:40:29 -0500 (EST)

> David Warner wrote:
>
> > I forwarded a copy of Ernie and Mark's "Refraction" message to
> Allen,
> > but I guess I should have included the question that related to
> how
> > merging points will affect an object's refractivity.
>
> > Anyway, here's his reply....
>
> That's cheating, Dave!
>
> The original question arose from the claim that refraction produced
> different results depending on whether points were merged, but I
> haven't
> been able to find a case where this is true. I did test renders
> using
> two versions of a refracting object, one with and one without merged
> points. There were no visible differences, nor could the DOS program
> FC (File Compare) find a single byte that differed between the saved
> frames.
>
> Based on this, it seems safe to merge points, and all else being
> equal,
> merging points saves a little memory. I have to assume that any
> refrac-
> tion differences are because of something else.
>
> - Ernie



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> Erwin Zwart ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:55:19

> David Warner wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Steve Bowie wrote:
>
> > > Would anybody be interested in a few nightly impressions of the
> World of Amiga
> > > in Toronto this weekend??
>
> > This sounds good, but maybe you should post it to the Video
> Toaster list
>
> No, do it here! But maybe only Lightwave related stuff off course.
>
> > ([e-mail]) instead of here....I know I'm interested in
> what
> > occurs at the show, but since most of the LightWave users here are
> NOT
> > Amiga users, you should probably post the info where only Amiga
> people
> > can appreciate it....
>
> I think the number of Amiga users on the ML is still large and a lot
> of 4.0 Intel
> users (like me) let their Amiga still render along!
> Next week I'm on 060 but even with 040 it still earns me more Raptor
> ;-)
>
> Erwin
>
> --
> +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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> [e-mail]
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:52:07 -0500

> In a message dated 95-12-04 17:08:48 EST, you write:
>
> >Does anyone have a recommendation for a GOOD Book or Video on
> forensic
> >animation?
>
> >Thank You,
> >Ed
> >[e-mail]
>
>
>
> Try Don Pence from Video Law services in Jacksonville, FL. He has a
> handbook
> of formulas, etc. for forensic animators. You can contact him as
> [e-mail]
>
> Bart Palamaro
> Dark Horse Productions



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> Andrew Hofman ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:04:44 -0500

> > WinBlob is a shareware program that is available at ftp.povray.org
>
> >under the utilities subdirectory, I believe. It does save out to
> .DXF.
> >I think by GED, you mean .GEO, which is the Videoscape format.
> WinBlob
> >saves out to Videoscape, Povray, and a few other formats. If your
> version
> >does not save out to these formats, it is probably an older version
> than
> >the one that is available at the ftp site.
>
> >- Ted Stethem
>
> Okay, so I told everyone on this list how much I paid for a
> SHAREWARE
> program at a computer store, and what a great deal I thought it was!
> By the
> way, is anyone looking to sell a bridge? I might be interested . . .
>
> Most of the objects on the five CD-ROMs end with ".GED", not GEO as
> one
> might expect. Maybe I can use the updated WinBlob as a converter.
>
> On top of everything, it is indeed an older version of WinBlob.
> Laughs must
> have resounded across the entire country, and most other nations
> wired to
> the net. Doh! If I'm at least willing to admit I'm an idiot, that's
> good
> thing. Right?
>
> ************************************************
> * Andy Hofman | LumaQuest Productions *
> * [e-mail] | 3D Animation *
> * 513-643-7333 | Dual Raptor 3 Rendering *
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> Mark Thompson ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:13:46 -0500

> Frank Aalbers writes:
> >We are looking for a tool to make a full leafed tree to be used in
> LW.
> >Can WB do this ?
>
> Yes, but with a bit of a caveat. It creates geometry that is
> directly
> exportable into 3DS, which means LW can load it with its 3DS loader.
> I have done this and it works fine. The problem is that WB has a bad
> tendancy to over tesselate its polygons. It only produces triangles,
> which is no surprise, but it also creates dozens of trianges where
> only one or two are necessary. If polygon counts are not a concern,
> it does the job, but WB could use some serious work in the
> optimization
> department.
> *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*
> * Mark Thompson [phone] *
> * Fusion Films, Inc. [e-mail] *
> * Director of Animation and Special FX *
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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> [e-mail]
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:29:35 -0500

> How do you folks go about making smooth fillets between parts of an
> object?
> I'm trying to recreate the microscope form the premiere issue of 3D
> Design. I
> finally go the round corner look on the base by using the
> PolyEdgeShaper
> macro/plugin (whatever we are calling them these days). But I'm
> having a heck
> of a time getting the brackets that hold the main brace to smoothly
> fillet
> into the base.
>
> Tried several small Bevels at bottom of brackets then Boolean to
> base. Tried
> metaform (makes a real mess!)
>
> What am I missing?
>
> TIA
>
> Robert <just trying to FLY-r> Coates



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> Casey Condo ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:35:32 -0600 (CST)

> > In a message dated 95-11-28 12:39:48 EST, you write:
>
> > > I know this is'nt a very productive question but does anyone
> > >have any idea when '4.0 final alpha' is to be released, i'd phone
> newtek
> > >but Im fed-up with being told 'two-four weeks'. I ask because its
> been
> > >a year now since I first heard of lightwave 4, and Ive been
> useing the
> > >alpha pre-release for about 5-6 months ?
> > >
> > > Thanks for the bandwidth
> > > Neil.
>
> > I'll second that! I'm in the same boat as Neil. I'd appreciate any
> info on
> > this as well.
> > Thanks.
>
> > Tom Rennen
> > Intelligent Light Digital Imaging
> > 214-420-6815
>
>
> DAMN RIGHT!!!!! WHEN IN THE HELL DO WE AT LEAST GET A 'NEW'
> VERSION????
>
> I AM LOOKING REAL HARD AT 3D STUDIO MAX.
>
> I WANT FINAL LIGHTWAVE V4.0 FOR DEC ALPHA YESTERDAY.
>
> IT IS REAL GOOD IN THE COMPUTER MARKET TO SPEND 15,000 TO 20,000 ON
> A DEC
> MACHINE, AND WATCH IT DEPRECIATE IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES, WHILE USING
> BETA S/W!



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> Ralph Messana ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 19:38:08 -0500 (EST)

> On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Steve Bowie wrote:
>
> > Would anybody be interested in a few nightly impressions of the
> World of Amiga
> > in Toronto this weekend??
>
> > I'd be glad to post a little 'review' if anyone wants to see it.
> > (If the group generally isn't interested anyone who is can e-mail
> me).
> > ^^^^^
>
> I'd be more intersted, if I wasn't goin myself. Dave will probably
> rather
> you post it to the toaster list.
>
>
> > Regards,
> > Steve
> > __
> > __/ /
> > / / / Freelance Media Services
> > ____________________________________/ /
> /_____________________________
> > | LIGHTWORX ____ / / / |
> > | *graphics & video* \ \ \/ / / "Crystallizing the Spectrum, |
> > | North York, Ontario,CANADA \ \/ / / Realizing the SPECTACULAR!"
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> > | [e-mail] \/_/_/ *********** |
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> [e-mail]
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 23:20:43 -0500 (EST)

>
> > Does anyone have a recommendation for a GOOD Book or Video on
> forensic
> > animation?
>
> > Thank You,
> > Ed
> > [e-mail]
>
>
> I'm also looking for this kind of info.
> And,
> Where would I find a good Skeleton - human - and brain with spinal
> cord.
> I need these for an accident reconstruction.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don Nelson



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> Adrian Onsen - ASNG/F94 ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 23:45:47 -0500 (EST)

> I just saw Toy story last weekend, and all I can say is WOW!
> Some of the scenery was quite hard to believe it was computer
> generated!
> Like the shots where Buzz was racing behind the moving truck on the
> street. The scenery on either sides of the street was hard to accept
> as
> being computer genetated. Even the moving truck itself was quite
> nicely done.
> I'm deffently going to see this movie again.
> PS.If you stay and watch ALL the credits, at the very very very end,
>
> there is a little animation with PIXAR's logo, and a little lamp..
> quite
> funny
>
> .. adrian ..
> [e-mail]
> http://www.acs.ryerson.ca/~aonsen
> "Justice and truth are meerly coincidental"
>



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> Adrian Onsen - ASNG/F94 ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 23:49:08 -0500 (EST)

> I'm trying to create a bright flash for an explosion of mine.
> What I want is a bright light (bright lens flare), but I want it
> really
> intense in the center, and rapidly falling off on the outside.
> If I crank up the intensity of the flare, I get a bright centrer,
> but the flare now takes up the entire screen. I don't want that. I
> want
> the brightness to be more localized.
> How can I do this?
>
> .. adrian ..
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> Mark Fletcher ([e-mail])
> Tue, 5 Dec 1995 21:10:56 -0800 (PST)

> Hi All,
>
> I'm writing a layout plugin in Windows NT 3.51 and I'm trying to get
> a dialog
> box up for the interface. I am using Visual C++ 2.0. I've set up the
> resource file with a dialog box and am using the code I've gotten
> from
> this list:
>
> hdi = global( "Host Display Info", GFUSE_TRANSIENT );
> hinst = GetModuleHandle( "myplugin.p" );
> DialogBox( hinst, "DialogName", hdi->window, DialogProc );
>
> For some reason I have to cast the DialogProc pointer in the
> DialogBox function call to (FARPROC) in order for it to compile
> (DialogProc is prototyped as per the manual). And the dialog never
> pops up. The DialogBox call returns -1, which indicates failure.
> But I don't know why it's failing or what I'm doing wrong. This is
> the first Windows app I've written(I'm from SGI/Motif land), so I
> wouldn't be surprised if I'm doing something stooopid. I have
> read every manual I could get my hands on.
>
> Could some kind soul point out the error in my code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>


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> Frank Aalbers ([e-mail])
> Wed, 06 Dec 1995 02:09:21 +0100

> lightwave ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> l> Hi Folks,
>
> Hi Folk !
>
> l> Quick question here. I am trying to do an animation with a
> l> single
> l> object floating around that I want to overlay to video. The
> question is
> l> how
>
> Easy enough ! Use tha Alpha Channel option for this ...
>
> Read the manual how to use it and feel free to ask anny questions
> about it ...
>
> Frank Aalbers



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> Frank Aalbers ([e-mail])
> Wed, 06 Dec 1995 01:59:40 +0100

> lightwave ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> >> There is a bug in the Path-Extrude and Path-Clone function of
> >> th Modeler Intel 4.0 rev. C .
>
> l> REV C ????? And btw. how can i find what my rev. is ?
> l> ( Is there an update available for rev A+B ? )
>
> Oops ! Bigga mistaka to maka ! It's rev A+B we also have ...
>
> Sorry ! :-)
>
> Frank Aalbers



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> [e-mail]
> Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:22:12 -0500

> I am currently working on a 1000 frame animation that consists of
> Trace
> Refraction, Trace Reflection, a 32,000 polygon water object, and
> much more.
> I have to render this on my Amiga 040, and render times are anywhere
> from 1
> to 3 hours per frame. This will not allow me to meet my deadline.
> Does anyone out there have a rendering service in which I can send
> you my
> scene and object files on a Bernoulli disk and have it rendered on a
> Raptor
> or something. I have no idea how much this would cost, so a ballpark
> price
> would be appreciated. Please help.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff Kasunic



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> Joe Angell ([e-mail])
> Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:24:45 -0500 (EST)

> > This sounds good, but maybe you should post it to the Video
> Toaster list
> > ([e-mail]) instead of here....I know I'm interested in
> what
> > occurs at the show, but since most of the LightWave users here are
> NOT
> > Amiga users, you should probably post the info where only Amiga
> people
> > can appreciate it....
>
> Uh, Dave, I do know a number of LW users did go IBM for speed, but
> you
> have to admit a large number of LW Amiga users do still exist, and
> I'll
> bet it rivals the non-Amiga users. Of course, I don't have any #s to
>
> that effect, so what do I know? :)
>
> -- Joe



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> Mark Thompson ([e-mail])
> Wed, 6 Dec 1995 01:06:21 -0500

> Since the letter from Allen (that was posted by Dave) really didn't
> address
> the question, I reiterated it to Allen who gave this answer:
>
> >Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:44:39 -0800
> >From: Allen D Hastings <[e-mail]>
> >To: [e-mail]
> >Subject: Re: Refraction Question
>
> >As long as there are no sharp bends in the surface (which might
> cause
> >an opposite-side polygon's normal to fall within the max smoothing
> >angle of the current polygon), there should be no difference
> between
> >the appearance of the object with merged versus unmerged points. I
> >believe my own shot glass used merged points, except where the edge
> >of the whiskey's surface (which curled up due to surface tension)
> met
> >the side of the glass. Lowering the max smoothing angle will in
> many
> >cases prevent "back-side influence" with point-merged surfaces, but
> >as I said before that should'nt be necessary unless there are sharp
> >bends. Feel free to post this reponse if you feel like it...
>
> >- Allen
>
>
> *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*
> * Mark Thompson [phone] *
> * Fusion Films, Inc. [e-mail] *
> * Director of Animation and Special FX *
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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> Marc Dole ([e-mail])
> Wed, 6 Dec 1995 07:04:18 -0500

> I have a project coming up that I will need to take a video clip
> from an
> AVID MC 1000 and use it for a background in an animation, then bring
> the
> files back into the AVID and make them a file so they can play out
> of the AVID.
>
> I have MaxDOS for the Amiga and I can get the files between my Amiga
> and My
> Alpha and back to a MAC disk. But how do I take the AVID video
> sequence and
> make it single frames and vise versa.
>
> Is AVID 640x480?
>
> Marc Dole [phone] "The one who dies with the most toys wins."
> Alpha Lightwave Animator / Amiga Re-Animator / Flyer Pilot
> http://www.bluefin.net/~madvideo



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In a message dated Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:20  [e-mail] writes:

N> NAME: Andre
N> I see that there are several new LightWave tips listed in the
N> index, however, whenever I try to reach any of these new tips,
N> I get the message that the URL is not found. I just wanted to
N> make you aware of this, in case you weren't.
N> Also, I wanted to thank you for having this collection of tips
N> available, I am just starting out with LightWave and I find
N> this collection to be a very good resource for me.

     You're welcome. The only reason some of these are missing is
the upgrade going on. While it is complete within my system I
don't have enough online time to upload it in one day (the site
is getting BIG). Check back in a couple and all will be peachy!

Christopher

ps. I'm going to have to remove the tip-to-tip browsing function
    as the maintence time for it is getting out of hand. Do you
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Glad you're getting something out of it..

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> John DeNicola ([e-mail])
> Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:39:29 PST

> Chris,
>
> Will you be supporting the Flyer Format?



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In article <[e-mail]> John DeNicola <[e-mail]> writes:
> Chris,
>   Will you be supporting the Flyer Format?

  The Flyer... Clip Format? It's not on the short list, but I don't think
anything major prevents us from doing on machines that have Flyers.

  We'd be using the NewTek libraries, I'd guess.

Chris - Xenon
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From: Mike Towe <[e-mail]>
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At 07:57 PM 12/6/95 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Fernando Martins ([e-mail])
>> Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:49 GMT
>

>> Green?! Try Blue (that's what everybody uses!!!)

        Well because I am using an image map on the object that has blue in
it. Since I don't want to key on the object and there is no green in the
object I used green.

Michael W. Towe
Chief editor and computer animator
Qualcomm Inc. San Diego Ca.


            " With Bob as my Witless"

                   Angelica Pickles
                    (1994)


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>  Hey guys,
>    I rendered 60 frames out of a 90 frame animation using ScreamerNetII
> before having to stop the render. The kooky part is I can't find any saved
> images anywhere. My first thought was that I hadn't set the save function
> but I checked the scene file in a text editor and the info was there. What
> gives?

Were you saving to a drive that only accepts names in the DOS 8.3 format?
If so, You have to make sure to not have more than 5 characters in your
save name if using three digit extensions or 4 if using the four digit.
Another way areound is to save the name with a period at the end (You may
have to type three periods in order for it to show up) so the digits
become the extension....

If that's not the case, make sure that the save path is mapped the same
for all machines.

JG

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David Warner wrote:
>
> > Adrian Onsen - ASNG/F94 ([e-mail])
> > Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:56:51 -0500 (EST)
>
> > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Wolfsong wrote:
> > > Another problem has been plaguint me since I started using bones.
> > If I
> > > create a cartoon character's head, and have the face squash and
> > stretch and
> > > emote using bones like all good cartoon characters faces should, I
> > can't
> > > have things like eyeballs and eyelids work properly. Its easy
> > enough to
> > > have an eyelid made out of a seperate object and parent it to the
> > head, but
> > > once I start deforming the head with bones, the eyelid stays in
> > one place

  Why not set up a bone structure for the eyelid. Save the eyelid as a seperate object
and use bones to deform the eylids in the same direction as the otehr bones...it's a
pain but i think it's the way to go..unless you make them all one big object.

Adam

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On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Mike Towe wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>         Quick question here. I am trying to do an animation with a single
> object floating around that I want to overlay to video. The question is how
> are the rest of you doing this. I have tried setting the background color to
> a single sade of green and then running a chroma key with my editor but the
> results are only so so. I figure I could grab frames of the video that I
> want to overlay to and use those as a sequence of background images, but
> this is a quick and dirty tape I am puting together I realy don't have the
> time for it. So if any of you have a better idea I would love to hear it.
>

The best wway to have the best quality in overlay video is to render a
alpha animation in the same time: You transfer both alpha and normal
rendering to two different video tapes. Then, you use the alpha as the
"key window" and the normal rendering as the "fill in".

You can also do that over a zero black background. Then, your result can
be luminance keyed over any video later.


            Daniel Thomas
            [e-mail]



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A lot of people still seem to be having trouble figuring out how things
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You wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>   I rendered 60 frames out of a 90 frame animation using ScreamerNetII
>before having to stop the render. The kooky part is I can't find any saved
>images anywhere. My first thought was that I hadn't set the save function
>but I checked the scene file in a text editor and the info was there. What
>gives?
>
>
>
>
>Paul Davies  [e-mail]     http://www.magnet.com/~pdavies/
>Concept Artist-RPG/Action Games
>Magnet Interactive Studios Inc.
>
>
Did you remember to save your file with the save information in it before you
started SN ?

Elliot Bain

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> > I'm trying to create a bright flash for an explosion of mine.
> > What I want is a bright light (bright lens flare), but I want it
> > really
> > intense in the center, and rapidly falling off on the outside.
> > If I crank up the intensity of the flare, I get a bright centrer,
> > but the flare now takes up the entire screen. I don't want that. I
> > want
> > the brightness to be more localized.
> > How can I do this?

Easy:  (insert LWPro trick here...)

OK, if you have LWPro, check for the article on making heat waves or
something like that from the RoboCop series.

All you do is put a few low-intensity flares on top of each other.  They
add up to make a flare that is more intense and localized to one area.
Try two, render, and increase as needed.  That should do it for you...

-- Joe

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Mark Thompson ([e-mail])

> Since the letter from Allen (that was posted by Dave) really didn't
> address the question, I reiterated it to Allen who gave this answer:

Thanks Mark!

That message cleared up the whole Refraction question...for now anyways.

;-)

                                     -David Warner

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On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, David Warner wrote:

>
> > [e-mail]
> > Tue, 5 Dec 1995 23:20:43 -0500 (EST)
>
> >
> > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a GOOD Book or Video on
> > forensic
> > > animation?
> >
> > > Thank You,
> > > Ed
> > > [e-mail]
> >
> >
> > I'm also looking for this kind of info.
> > And,
> > Where would I find a good Skeleton - human - and brain with spinal
> > cord.
> > I need these for an accident reconstruction.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Don Nelson
>
>
>
Damn! Sounds, like one hell of an accident! ;)

My suggestion would be to check out a 3d magazine.  Many vendors offer
complete librarys of skeletal parts, anatomy, etc.

Kevin W.

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>David Warner wrote:
>>
>> > Adrian Onsen - ASNG/F94 ([e-mail])
>> > Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:56:51 -0500 (EST)
>>
>> > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Wolfsong wrote:
>> > > Another problem has been plaguint me since I started using bones.
>> > If I
>> > > create a cartoon character's head, and have the face squash and
>> > stretch and
>> > > emote using bones like all good cartoon characters faces should, I
>> > can't
>> > > have things like eyeballs and eyelids work properly. Its easy
>> > enough to
>> > > have an eyelid made out of a seperate object and parent it to the
>> > head, but
>> > > once I start deforming the head with bones, the eyelid stays in
>> > one place

>  Why not set up a bone structure for the eyelid. Save the eyelid as a
>  seperate object
>and use bones to deform the eylids in the same direction as the otehr
>bones...it's a  pain but i think it's the way to go..unless you make them all
>one big object.

It is for this very reason that I prefer to use morphing as opposed to bones
for the more elaborate stuff.  Not that I have done very much with either of
them, but morphing just seems more straight forward to me.


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From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  7 03:45:49 1995
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Mark Fletcher wrote:

> ... am using the code I've gotten from this list:
>
> hdi = global( "Host Display Info", GFUSE_TRANSIENT );
> hinst = GetModuleHandle( "myplugin.p" );
> DialogBox( hinst, "DialogName", hdi->window, DialogProc );
>
> And the dialog never pops up.

Gee, that code looks familiar.

Since this is your first Windows code, I'd look hard at the dialog
callback.  Also make sure the dialog template has the WS_POPUP (and not
the WS_CHILD) style.

Dumb questions:  Have you changed the GetModuleHandle() argument to the
name of your plugin?  Have you changed "DialogName" to the name of the
dialog template?  Have you verified that <hdi> and <hinst> aren't NULL?

> For some reason I have to cast the DialogProc pointer in the DialogBox
> function call to (FARPROC) in order for it to compile (DialogProc is
> prototyped as per the manual).

MSVC is just being picky--it implements type equivalence in a relatively
narrow way.  Watcom, for example, doesn't require a cast.  This isn't
the source of your problem.

I know lwplugin-l is pokey as hell (it takes two or three days for posts
to show up), but we should probably take this discussion there, rather
than frightening all these good people.

- Ernie

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>
>    John, with DOS 8.3 filenames, it is not a total of 8 letters,
> including the extension, like you implied. It is a total of 8 letters
> for the filename and a total of 3 letters for the extension.

In PC LightWave there is no option for choosing the numbered digits as an
extension. So if you have a name that is ""flying", LightWave will make
it "flying001", etc. This is longer than 8.3 and will not save on a DOS
drive that can only take an 8.3 filename (such as a drive connected thru
Novell Netware). Note that LW may make it "flying001.iff" if you choose
that as your output filename format (name001.xxx). If you wish the
numbers to be the extension, you have to name it "flying.", Which is a
bit tricky under NT or Win(non95). You have to place three periods at the
end of the name before Windows will recognize it as a separate character...

JG

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From: [e-mail] (Justin Barrett)
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On 1 Dec 95, [e-mail] spoke up and said:

JI> The NewTek site is temporarily off-line, as their internet service
JI> provider closed their doors unexpectedly. They will be back on-line
JI> again very shortly.

Hmmmm..."very shortly"........in NewTek-time this usually means 4-6
weeks, doesn't it?   :)

         Justin Barrett - [e-mail] - 1:350/401
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On 4 Dec 95, [e-mail] spoke up and said:

TM>         Quick question here. I am trying to do an animation with a
TM> single object floating around that I want to overlay to video. The
TM> question is how are the rest of you doing this. I have tried setting the
TM> background color to a single sade of green and then running a chroma key
TM> with my editor but the results are only so so. I figure I could grab
TM> frames of the video that I want to overlay to and use those as a
TM> sequence of background images, but this is a quick and dirty tape I am
TM> puting together I realy don't have the time for it. So if any of you
TM> have a better idea I would love to hear it.

Actually, grabbing the frames for a background image-sequence is about as
quick and dirty as you can get.  Of course, it all depends on the
equipment you're using.  With a PAR or PVR, it's just a matter of
recording the video, entering LightWave, and loading the video as a
background sequence.  It gives you the cleanest look for a minimal amount
of work.

The only other way I know of is the way you've already tried, and you know
how that looks.

         Justin Barrett - [e-mail] - 1:350/401
    Free Spirit Productions   -   Northland Cable   -   Peninsula College

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On 4 Dec 95, [e-mail] spoke up and said:

Ce> Does anyone have a recommendation for a GOOD Book or Video on forensic
Ce> animation?

If you're talking medical forensic (as opposed to legal forensic, like
accident re-creations), check out Issue 21 of 3D Artist magazine.  It's
got 4 great articles on medical illustration & animation...plus a nice
tutorial on budget motion-capture, among other things...

Not really a book or video, but still some good info...

         Justin Barrett - [e-mail] - 1:350/401
    Free Spirit Productions   -   Northland Cable   -   Peninsula College

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Is anyone aware of any way to save multiple iterations of a mesh in an
automated fashion?....I am working on object meshes(characters) for use in a
real-time game...I planned to break the characters into probably about 12
parts(eg. upper arm, lower arm, upper torso, lower tors...etc) and then
group and animate in Layout. Is there any way to save all grouped objects
in one shot(maybe even as a new object)....I know by saving each object in the
hierarchy as a transformed object I can accomplish what I want but this
would just be a pain considering the amount of tweaking that will be
involved before the characters would be perfected. Any help would be
appreciated...
If the above was confusing this what I want to do in nice broken english :)

1) build the chunks of a guy in modeller
2) group chunks into a guy, and animate in Layout
3) save animated chunks/guy as sequential separate objects or preferrably
   one new sequential object(eg guywalk01.lwo, guywalk02.lwo)

Is this possible? Have I missed something really simple(I do that
sometimes :))......Please, Please help me and save my clicking finger from
RSI due to hitting to save transformed too many times....

PS. If it can't do this does anyone know of a plugin that might, or
would anyone be interested in a plugin that would?

Sai

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>> Erwin Zwart ([e-mail])
>> Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:55:19

>> David Warner wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Steve Bowie wrote:
>>
>> > > Would anybody be interested in a few nightly impressions of the
>> World of Amiga
>> > > in Toronto this weekend??
>>
>> > This sounds good, but maybe you should post it to the Video
>> Toaster list
>>
>> No, do it here! But maybe only Lightwave related stuff off course.
>>


I think maybe we should let the gang in on the news:

Dave and I have had a bfief discussion of this matter "off-list", and he has
authorized me to 'go-for-it'.  I think his original reticence was more out of
a desire to serve the groups wishes than to limit discussion (sorry for
putting words in your mouth here, Dave).

Thus, I have stopped keeping track of positive messages; it was
getting out of hand....BTW, there were nO negative responses, thanks for your
tolerance, peecee types:)


The volume of mail I've rec'd on this subject has made it evident to (me at
least) that I am far from the only member of this list looking ahead to a
bright Amiga future...

I've even been granted 'honorary' member of the press status to enable a
thorough coverage :)

Now as long as my ISP doesn't drop out for the weekend!


Regards,
Steve
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On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, David Warner wrote:

>
> Obviously, garcia.com has been having some problems...I'm trying to
> figure out if things are fixed yet, but it doesn't look good.  =(
>
>                                      -David Warner
>                                      "This SUCKS!!"

    Will this mailing list NEVER find a GOOD home?
        The journey goes on I guess...


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In a message dated 95-12-06 21:00:19 EST, you write:

> Where would I find a good Skeleton - human - and brain with spinal

Viewpoint Datalabs has it.  Take a big bag of money with you when you talk to
them.

Ed

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> >    John, with DOS 8.3 filenames, it is not a total of 8 letters,
> > including the extension, like you implied. It is a total of 8 letters
> > for the filename and a total of 3 letters for the extension.
>
> In PC LightWave there is no option for choosing the numbered digits as an
> extension.

I think that's because most Windows software is stupid and assumes you
put the right extension on a file, and figures out the file type by that
extension, as opposed to reading the header from the file, which is FAR
less prone to error.

-- Joe

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> I know by saving each object in the
> hierarchy as a transformed object I can accomplish what I want but this
> would just be a pain considering the amount of tweaking that will be
> involved before the characters would be perfected. Any help would be
> appreciated...

BIG problem here -- if you parent the (ie) lower arm to the upper arm,
rotate the lower arm, then save transformed, the lower arm's now rotation
will be saved, but it's new position will be saved relative to the WORLD,
NOT the upper arm, which would mean you might just as well animate in
modeler.

> 1) build the chunks of a guy in modeller
> 2) group chunks into a guy, and animate in Layout
> 3) save animated chunks/guy as sequential separate objects or preferrably
>    one new sequential object(eg guywalk01.lwo, guywalk02.lwo)
>
> Is this possible? Have I missed something really simple(I do that
> sometimes :))......Please, Please help me and save my clicking finger from
> RSI due to hitting to save transformed too many times....

Here is a question for you:  are you saving a different object for each
different frame of an action?  If you are, the shear amount of storage
makes that horribly inefficient.

I'd push the programers to learn how to load LW scene files (actually,
I'd force them too or I'd quit).  That way you could simply animate your
characters as normal, save the one action (walking cycle, kick, ect.) in
a normal LW scene, and they read it in, load the objects, and animate it
as LW does.  It will result in a MUCH smaller game and will generally be
be better for you and them.

At least, that's how we do it on the game I'm working on...

-- Joe

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Dave,

I know you're busy just trying to get things working properly on the list
right now, but when you get around to it, could you look into a small
problem?

The subject header is always "Multiple recipients of Lightwave" when the
messages get posted to us. That makes it sort of difficult to go back later
and search for a particular question/answer. ;-)

Regards, John.

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On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Steve Bowie wrote:

> Dave and I have had a bfief discussion of this matter "off-list", and he has
> authorized me to 'go-for-it'.  I think his original reticence was more out of
> a desire to serve the groups wishes than to limit discussion (sorry for
> putting words in your mouth here, Dave).

That's okay, in this case you have my AUTHORIZATION to do so.  ;-)

                                     -David Warner

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On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Adrian Onsen - ASNG/F94 wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, David Warner wrote:
> >
> > Obviously, garcia.com has been having some problems...I'm trying to
> > figure out if things are fixed yet, but it doesn't look good.  =(
>
>     Will this mailing list NEVER find a GOOD home?
>         The journey goes on I guess...

Well, the problem this time was human error on the part of one of the
garcia.com techies.  This is annoying, but I guess it's better than being
on a listserver that just doesn't work right.

I've received assurances from the garcia.com people that this problem
will not occur again, but I'm sure something else will come up sooner or
later.  =(

                                     -David Warner

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At 12:32 PM 12/7/95 -0500, you wrote:
>The subject header is always "Multiple recipients of Lightwave" when the
>messages get posted to us. That makes it sort of difficult to go back later
>and search for a particular question/answer. ;-)

This may be dependant on the mail reading software.  For me, the subject is
what the subject is however the To: field is "Multiple recipients of
list...".  This is with the PC version of Eudora...

Might want to check a different e-mail program.

Have fun,
Dan
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John Crookshank wrote:

> The subject header is always "Multiple recipients of Lightwave" when the
> messages get posted to us. That makes it sort of difficult to go back later
> and search for a particular question/answer. ;-)

That's strange...the mail headers are supposed to look like this:

Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:32:46 -0500
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..and on my system (using PINE) they do.  What kind of mail reader are
you using?  Maybe it doesn't support the Reply-To: field??


                                     -David Warner

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>>
>> l> Quick question here. I am trying to do an animation with a
>> l> single
>> l> object floating around that I want to overlay to video. The
>> question is
>> l> how
>>

In your original posting, you mentioned that a green-screen chroma key
didn't work. An alpha channel would, but you'll need four VCR's and four
tapes, one for each of the following:

(1) Animation
(2) Alpha Channel
(3) Live background footage
(4) Recorder

Set up Lightwave to save out your Alpha channel as 24-bit. You want it as a
seperate set of files, all on their own. I'm not sure what kind of video
output card you're using, but some don't like 8-bit greyscale images. 24-bit
looks exactly the same, and is a safer bet.

Lay this Alpha animation off the same as you do the main one, except put
them each on a different tape. It would help if both tapes and both
animation start points had the same exact time code. If this is not
possible, add a flash frame followed by ten frames of black BEFORE each
animation begins on their respective tapes. This will allow you to easily
lock them together, even with time codes that don't match.

Since you have a switcher with alpha keying, you are probably familiar with
what to do next. VCR-1 plays your animation, VCR-2 provides the hole cutter,
and VCR-3 runs the background footage. It should make for the cleanest damn
key you ever saw.




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From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  7 13:23:03 1995
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At 09:19 PM 12/6/95 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Marc Dole ([e-mail])
>> Wed, 6 Dec 1995 07:04:18 -0500
>
>> I have a project coming up that I will need to take a video clip
>> from an
>> AVID MC 1000 and use it for a background in an animation, then bring
>> the
>> files back into the AVID and make them a file so they can play out
>> of the AVID.
>>
>> I have MaxDOS for the Amiga and I can get the files between my Amiga
>> and My
>> Alpha and back to a MAC disk. But how do I take the AVID video
>> sequence and
>> make it single frames and vise versa.
>>
>> Is AVID 640x480?
>>
>> Marc Dole [phone] "The one who dies with the most toys wins."
>> Alpha Lightwave Animator / Amiga Re-Animator / Flyer Pilot
>> http://www.bluefin.net/~madvideo
>
>

I frequently take animations to a couple of clients as IFF files. They use
Dababelizer on their Macs to convert them into Quicktime clips and drop them
into their programs. It's a fairly painless procedure. They first supply me
with a Mac formatted hard drive, which I hook up to an Amiga through
CrossMac. I send the finished files over ethernet, from the Alphas to the Amiga.

AVID is 640x480, square pixels.



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I have posted the DEC Alpha version of the BML run-time plugin to my
anonymous FTP site:

    ftp.netcom.com:/pub/bh/bhood/plugins/BML-RT/bml-rt.Alpha.p

This version of the BML run-time plugin is intended only for the DEC
Alpha-based platforms.

Please be aware: THIS PLUGIN HAS NOT BEEN TESTED!  The platform on which
I re-compiled the BML sources did not have LightWave 4.0 Final installed,
so plugins could not be installed and tested.

Because the Windows NT operating system employs little-endian byte ordering
on all platforms on which it runs, scripts compiled on any BML-supported
platform will operate with the run-time plugin on any platform without re-
compilation (i.e., script compiled on the Intel platform will function on
the Alpha without modification).  This means that the existing compiled
scripts in the BML-RT directory should work as-is on the Alpha platform
with the Alpha-based run-time plugin.

SPECIAL THANKS goes to Chris Hanson at Questar for giving me time on his
DEC Alpha to recompile BML.  (Did you find those missing digits, Chris? =|^)

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Just called Newtek, I guess the Rev.C should be shipping any day now. Also,
the guy said that Rev. D was almost completed..strange. Just thought someone
would like to know.

Scott

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Thanks to everyone who helped me out with my puzzle'ling problem. Unfortunatly
the people I'm making it for decided that it would be better just to make it
into a front view instead of an angle (which turned out to be much easier).

But I'll get it right just 'cuase they might change their mind again ;) Who
knows. Anyway thanks to everyone. :)


Scott

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Bob Hood wrote:

> Because the Windows NT operating system employs little-endian byte
> ordering on all platforms on which it runs, scripts compiled on any
> BML-supported platform will operate with the run-time plugin on any
> platform without recompilation ...

I'm confused--Intel is big-endian, Windows doesn't enforce restrictions
on processor dependencies like byte order, and I can't figure out what
this has to do with running a program.

- Ernie

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I know this might sound a little quanky but, har it goes, I'm just working
on 1 game now, however when I'm done I'd like to pursue work in this field
(since there is no sign of another one). Although the work I've done
so far has not been "blistering'ly complicated" nor "fry yer eyeballs" type of
animation...well in fact, *very* little animation (I mostly did stills of
maps,rooms,guns,ships yadda yadda). What do gaming companies look for? This
type of work is vastly different (that I've seen) from TV/FILM. I was lucky
this time, the person needed someone quick, I showed him some sample pictures
and that was it...but the work I've done so far would definiatly not get me
an academy award if you know what I mean...let alone stuff some of it onto
a reel. Any suggestions as to grab a gamer's eye in a reel?

Like I said, 'xcuze the off topic meessage.. Thanks..putting anit-flame suit
on :)

Scott

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Hyia everyone --

>Just called Newtek, I guess the Rev.C should be shipping any day now. Also,
>the guy said that Rev. D was almost completed..strange. Just thought someone
>would like to know.

What does this mean for those of us who have Rev A or B?

Timothy

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>The best wway to have the best quality in overlay video is to render a
>alpha animation in the same time: You transfer both alpha and normal
>rendering to two different video tapes. Then, you use the alpha as the
>"key window" and the normal rendering as the "fill in".

        Unfrotunatly my edit system only allows for 2 video treams at one
time (A/B roll not A/B/C/ etc...:-((( So this aproach won't work.

>You can also do that over a zero black background. Then, your result can
>be luminance keyed over any video later.

        I have tried that and it seams to work the best so far.

        Now if I only had the a DP/R ( the non-linear end to my Video
Machine editing system ) this would be SOOOOOOOO!!!!! much easier.

Thanks for the reply,

Michael W. Towe
Chief editor and computer animator
Qualcomm Inc. San Diego Ca.


            " With Bob as my Witless"

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                    (1994)


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> >The subject header is always "Multiple recipients of Lightwave" when the
> >messages get posted to us. That makes it sort of difficult to go back later
> >and search for a particular question/answer. ;-)
>
> This may be dependant on the mail reading software.  For me, the subject is
> what the subject is however the To: field is "Multiple recipients of
> list...".  This is with the PC version of Eudora...
>
Same with Pine.

JG

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The NUMBER ONE best thing you can do that will get you hired is to include
classical animation.  You need to demonstrate the traditional skills like
Squash and stretch but a great looking walk cycle that gives a sense of mass
would do the trick.  The hardest thing for an animator to do is walk a
character so it looks like the feet contact the ground.  When the foot makes
contact the knee needs to give a little so the body appears to conpress a
little and the flesh squashes.

Anything else depends on what the employee is looking for.  I got in because I
made a prison hall scene the camera glided down.  The employer was looking for
castle builders.

The employer was looking for animated characters and hired an artist that had a
lot of traditional human figure drawing skills.

Based on what your email revealed I would pursue the area of environment.
 Backgounds and architecture.  That would include all furnishings of the
environment.  Make a demo tape that shows this off but try to make a story out
of it.  I find interest in demo tapes depends on how engaging they are.
  If the work your pursueing uses realtime 3D objects then you need to make
really low count polygon objects that look great.

Without trying to sound like an uppity know it all, I hope this helps.

On Dec 7,  3:58pm, Scott McCabe wrote:
> Subject: OFFTOPIC : Gamer Demo Reels
> I know this might sound a little quanky but, har it goes, I'm just working
> on 1 game now, however when I'm done I'd like to pursue work in this field
> (since there is no sign of another one). Although the work I've done
> so far has not been "blistering'ly complicated" nor "fry yer eyeballs" type
of
> animation...well in fact, *very* little animation (I mostly did stills of
> maps,rooms,guns,ships yadda yadda). What do gaming companies look for? This
> type of work is vastly different (that I've seen) from TV/FILM. I was lucky
> this time, the person needed someone quick, I showed him some sample pictures
> and that was it...but the work I've done so far would definiatly not get me
> an academy award if you know what I mean...let alone stuff some of it onto
> a reel. Any suggestions as to grab a gamer's eye in a reel?
>
> Like I said, 'xcuze the off topic meessage.. Thanks..putting anit-flame suit
> on :)
>
> Scott
>
>-- End of excerpt from Scott McCabe



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On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Ho Yin Au wrote:

> There was a problem yesterday where (I guess) you replied to almost every
> single message that came through your machine (with just the quoted message,
> no actual replies from you...)  Strange...

That was intentional...as far as I know, none of those messages got
distributed to the mailing list because of problems with ListServ, but
they were archived by hypermail, so I used NetScape to access them via
the Web and forwarded copies of each "lost" message to the list.

I really didn't feel like editing the quote character ">" out of 50 or
so messages, so they appeared to be replies from me...it was a real pain
in the ass to do this, but I figured people would have been more than a
little bummed out if their messages were lost in cyberspace forever.

I posted a warning message to everyone explaining what was about to happen
before I forwarded all of those messages...I guess you didn't read it?


                                     -David Warner

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On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, [e-mail] (Saiyad Abdul) wrote:
>If the above was confusing this what I want to do in nice broken english :)
>
>1) build the chunks of a guy in modeller
>2) group chunks into a guy, and animate in Layout
>3) save animated chunks/guy as sequential separate objects or preferrably
>   one new sequential object(eg guywalk01.lwo, guywalk02.lwo)
>
>Is this possible? Have I missed something really simple(I do that
>sometimes :))

    If I'm following you, the answer is no, you can't save a group of
objects AS AN OBJECT.  What you could do is save the SCENE in various
interations.  Not only is this directly supported, but scene files are much
smaller than objects too.

    You would then use LOAD FROM SCENE to load your object.  (Of course you
would probably want it to be the only object in the scene too.)  You can think
of scenes as meta objects, sorta, using this approach.

>PS. If it can't do this does anyone know of a plugin that might, or
>would anyone be interested in a plugin that would?

    TMK there isn't currently such a PI available.  It likely is possible to
create one.  You would also most likely want to integrate it somehow with the
OBJREP plugins.

>Sai
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Off Topic - PVR website

I was rummaging around in rec.video.professional (moderated USENET
group) and ran across a URL for a Perception users' website:

    http://www.eag-net.com/pvr/

If this is old info, my apologies.  Between our mailer being changed (and
hosed) and the group going through a few changes of late, I may have
missed a mention of this here.  If this isn't old info, sorry for the off-topic,
now enjoy!

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>The Sparks manual, in several of the tutorials, asks you to load in a
>"particle cloud" that you create in modeler.  It says that it needs the
>cloud for "particle fodder."  That's all when and good, but what is it
>supposed to do with this cloud?

I have very recently acquired the Sparks software and am also working
through the tutorials. The way I understand the manual (YES, it could be
written a little better!)is that you need a source for your particles (i.e.,
your particles for the Sparks program have to come from somewhere. An
object, any object with points, will do. So, you load a particle cloud (or
any other object) into Modeler and run the getpoints.lwm . This is where
your particles are obtained from. For instance, if you load a particle cloud
with 100 points in it and run the getpoints.lwm, Sparks will have 100
particles to work with. If you load a cube and run getpoints.lwm, Sparks
will have 8 particles to work with, etc.. If I remember correctly, you also
have to export your particle source (cloud, cube or whatever) to Layout
after you run the getpoints.lwm. Why? I have no idea.

I'm typing this from memory (I'm at work and don't have any of this in front
of me). I hope this helps. If I'm wrong in my reasoning, somebody please
enlighten me.

                        Mike
Mike Crumpler
Space Power Institute
Auburn University, Al.
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In the never ending pursuit of upgrading I have a list below of a few pieces
of Computer and Video Equipment for sale.  Some of the equipment is a
friends and I am posting it for him.

BVW-15  (Dynamic tracking Betacam player)                        $5,000
Amiga Toaster with Amilink                                       $5,000
     (2000/040/33/18megsRAM/550megsHD 3NI Amilink with POD)

DPS Amiga PAR                                                    $1,000
DPS TBC IV                                                       $  500
FORA FA400 TBC                                                   $  400


Newtek Video Flyer                                               $3,700
Flyer accesories                                                 $2,800
   (Microp 9gig AV / Drive-IN / 2x CDRom / Octopus Cables)

2 gig IBM HD for Flyer                                           $  700

Epson ES-600C Color scanner (with ADPro driver and cable)        $  700

All prices are negotiable, and do not include shipping.

         Marc Dole / 603-659-7778 / [e-mail]
                     Alpha Lightwave Animator
          "The one who dies with the most toys wins...."
    "....But every now and then you have to clean your room"

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My home page is just about ready for it's "grand opening" but I have a
few sections that still need to be filled with data...one of them is a
Product Index for both LightWave and the Video Toaster.

If you have a product that you would like to have listed in this Product
Index, please send me e-mail with all the details on your product as you
would like them to appear.  This "service" will be provided free of charge.


                                     -David Warner


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At 20:16:34 07Dec95, David Warner wrote:
>
>My home page is just about ready for it's "grand opening" but I have a
>few sections that still need to be filled with data...one of them is a
>Product Index for both LightWave and the Video Toaster.
>
>If you have a product that you would like to have listed in this Product
>Index, please send me e-mail with all the details on your product as you
>would like them to appear.  This "service" will be provided free of charge.
>
>
>                                     -David Warner
>
>
>
>
Dave:

   If you want you are more than welcome to scavage my home page for links.
I have a section of hardware/software compainies that might fill your
needs

http://www.li.net/~rlhomme/limg.html

Rich





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Hi all!

I have an object with several 'children': objects and lights.
I want to clone this object. Is there any way to clone it with ALL it's
'childrens'?! It's really annoying to clone/add every light and object
again :(

(Yes, it is my (in)famous laser object :-) )

  __ _ _
 /_ /|/|
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Hi to all!

Yesterday I thought about using the technique described in Mojo's 'Simple
Space stuff - Cool tricks from Babylon 5' to simulate lasers beams. Try to
find LightwavePro Sep94 (I guess).

OK, I added a nullobject to a ship, I added a row of 4 lights neasr each other
ans parented these to the nullobject. Now, when I move the nullobjects in the
Z axis, the lights are 'fired' from the ship in the direction the ship is
aiming. Everything is fine by now...

The tricky part is to make those lens flares look like a laser beam... I did
turn motion blur on and I did a lot of experiments with the flare's intensity
and dissolve. Actually, I spend MORE time experimenting with the #$%@@ flares
than to set up the rest of the scene (with asteroids, nebulas, stars, 3
ships...)

I can't get the damn thing right! As someone tried this technique and achieved
good results?! Can anyone give me the values you used for the flares
envelopes?!

I think I will be back to my tube/transparent-tube thingy to simulate my
lasers :(

Thank you in advance.

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On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Fernando Martins wrote:

> I have an object with several 'children': objects and lights.
> I want to clone this object. Is there any way to clone it with ALL it's
> 'childrens'?! It's really annoying to clone/add every light and object
> again :(

Save your scene with the parental hierarchies set up and then use Load
>From Scene to pull in as many clones as you need.  Make sure you save
your scene with only the objects and lights in it that you want to clone
and when you use Load From Scene, make sure you answer Yes to the "Load
Lights?" requestor.

                                     -David Warner

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At 21:00:24 07Dec95, Fernando Martins wrote:
>Hi all!
>
>I have an object with several 'children': objects and lights.
>I want to clone this object. Is there any way to clone it with ALL it's
>'childrens'?! It's really annoying to clone/add every light and object
>again :(
>
>(Yes, it is my (in)famous laser object :-) )
>
>  __ _ _
> /_ /|/|
>/  /   | [e-mail]
>
>
>
Save your objects as a scene, you can then load them in with the load from
scene button. That will load all the objects with their hiarchy.

Rich





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Reply:  Item #7293839 from [e-mail]@INET#

Interesting, my mail viewer always lists To: and From: as
[e-mail]. Never did that before Garcia.

Also, I haven't seen any of my posts for about a week. The mail comes
in, but nothing goes out.

JF

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In a message dated 95-12-07 12:23:01 EST, you write:

>Is this possible? Have I missed something really simple(I do that
>sometimes :))......Please, Please help me and save my clicking finger from
>RSI due to hitting to save transformed too many times....
>
>

     Mouse recorder is your friend. Mouse recorder makes everything easier...


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From: [e-mail] (Ace Miles)
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Subject: Re: Lasers with Lens Flares
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>The tricky part is to make those lens flares look like a laser beam... I did
>turn motion blur on and I did a lot of experiments with the flare's intensity
>and dissolve. Actually, I spend MORE time experimenting with the #$%@@ flares
>than to set up the rest of the scene (with asteroids, nebulas, stars, 3
>ships...)
>
>I can't get the damn thing right! As someone tried this technique and achieved
>good results?! Can anyone give me the values you used for the flares
>envelopes?!
>
>I think I will be back to my tube/transparent-tube thingy to simulate my
>lasers :(
>
>Thank you in advance.
>
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Hi-

I personally think the lens flare trick works on laser blasts better than
laser beams.
If your using LW 4.0 the tube trick for lasers works great if you turn on
the glow feature.  Play with the radius and intensity and it'll look great.
Don't forget to enable the glow in the surface requester and the effects
panel (I always forget to do that).

-Ace


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From: [e-mail] (Alan Chan )
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Subject: Re: Cloning objects
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You wrote:
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>Hi all!
>
>I have an object with several 'children': objects and lights.
>I want to clone this object. Is there any way to clone it with ALL
it's
>'childrens'?! It's really annoying to clone/add every light and object
>again :(
>
>(Yes, it is my (in)famous laser object :-) )

Try the infamous 'Load From Scene' option..  :)

AC